Hello, reader !
My first post which in fact I was MADE to do and if you read on you will know why.I promise to be as brief as I can but touch all urgent topics nonetheless.Oh and I thank you for taking time and reading it - I appreciate that a lot because this is why I do it - to be heard.
My first post which in fact I was MADE to do and if you read on you will know why.I promise to be as brief as I can but touch all urgent topics nonetheless.Oh and I thank you for taking time and reading it - I appreciate that a lot because this is why I do it - to be heard.
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Point by Point:
* Violation of basic human rights and not keeping whithin the law, that is within the 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution ( Freedom of speech, press, religion ,petition and assembley. )
* Privacy invasion.
* Blackening member's ( a person's) reputation without any reason for that.
* Abusing given to them 'admin priviliges and power' for above actions.
* Continuous bashing and stalking a member for no reason on purpose.
* As well as: Lying to members in aims of justification of the above actions, Maintaining unhealthy forum atmosphere, Being disrespectful to members of Alessandra Ambrosio and Marisa Miller's OFFICIAL forums - therefore being disrespectful towards their fans that is being disrespectful towards these Models as well, Not following the Rules of the Forum.
April 28,2008 UPDATE:
Im literally 'being shut up' by admins- they delete my posts, ban from posting comments in my or other members profiles, track my Private Messages Incoming and Outcoming mail and delete my PM before they reach the ones whom I send them. Basically, breaking the law and VIOLATING HUMAN RIGHTS.
This is the newest screencaps from today I have just took when trying to let members know this address:
So basically thats like shutting someones mouth up and then 'make and impression of trying to talk to him'.
And now some more light on the above stated facts:
I have been a member ( as said by others a good honest and valuebale active member) in Alessandra Ambrosio Official Forum since october 2006 ( Alessandra is my second favorite model ) where after the forum was hacked I invested tons of my private time to help to rebuild the forum basically from the empty place along with other members. I was lucky and happy to start the thread there on my fave model - Marisa Miller. Which I proudly call ' my thread' or now 'our thread' because with all the wonderful members who post there as well we make it the thread that is most viewable and popular in subform 'fashion and models' of Ales forum.
Alessandra and Marisa are both Victoria's Secret Supermodels.
1.After I reposted a bunch of photos posted by one of the admins of this forum (known as 'Lullaby' or Ashley, from here L.) that she posted at another forum
(fashionmodeltalk) where she also is admin, with giving credits of course as I always do in such cases. Yet another admin of Ales forum ( 'Avadakedavra' also known as Meghan, from here- A.)as well as FMT forum named above posts in MM( Marisa Miller) thread and says, I quote by memory ' Not sounding rude or pushy but why dont you just give the link to FMT forum so that everyone go there and check photos themselves instead of reposting all that Lullaby posted here?'. Well, guys and girls, I replied to her in a polite manner as I always do that I do not repost just all of them to start with but pick the ones I think show MM in better light and that I really like best, second, I know there are members who will not go register to another forum and want to see new stuffs here and appreciate my postings and third, hey thats why this thread was created in this forum anyway, right'. Members posted too after that and supported me saying they prefer to see my posts in Ales forum in MM thread and that they agree with me. I was off forum for a night and next day I was informed by one member how another admin L. posted in MM thread and said smth that that member was even 'ashamed of' so 'rude and uncalled for' it sounded.
1.After I reposted a bunch of photos posted by one of the admins of this forum (known as 'Lullaby' or Ashley, from here L.) that she posted at another forum
(fashionmodeltalk) where she also is admin, with giving credits of course as I always do in such cases. Yet another admin of Ales forum ( 'Avadakedavra' also known as Meghan, from here- A.)as well as FMT forum named above posts in MM( Marisa Miller) thread and says, I quote by memory ' Not sounding rude or pushy but why dont you just give the link to FMT forum so that everyone go there and check photos themselves instead of reposting all that Lullaby posted here?'. Well, guys and girls, I replied to her in a polite manner as I always do that I do not repost just all of them to start with but pick the ones I think show MM in better light and that I really like best, second, I know there are members who will not go register to another forum and want to see new stuffs here and appreciate my postings and third, hey thats why this thread was created in this forum anyway, right'. Members posted too after that and supported me saying they prefer to see my posts in Ales forum in MM thread and that they agree with me. I was off forum for a night and next day I was informed by one member how another admin L. posted in MM thread and said smth that that member was even 'ashamed of' so 'rude and uncalled for' it sounded.
In a short while after that this post by A. as well as my reply to her plus all members' posts and L.'s posts , all was gone. Apparently they were just deleted by admins.Which I thought was good for the thread actually and I was just ready to move on. I checked a few latest pages to see if only these posts were deleted and noticed how admins edited a bunch of my very recent posts with photos (hosted on imageshadow) and put them in the width motivating it by posting in length which I did 'distorted the board'. I posted a reply to a member in MM thread and added that how I noticed that my posts were edited even though: a) I read all the rules and never saw anything stating that photos posted like that should be only in width , b) I always posted in length and noone bothered before, and c)I said that in my opinion it was more convinient for me to have them in length. A member agreed with me that he liked it much better 'my way' too .
Right after that admins closed the thread. I got a bunch of PMs from
members asking me why MM thread was all of a sudden closed. HERE finally I can tell PEOPLE the TRUTH without - >being banned, being abused, being bashed, being stalked - all that found place in Ales forum and thats why I HAD to make this post at a different place.
Admins wanted to show 'whos is the boss in the club and who has power' by closing the thread when it was absolutely NO reason for doing so. Officially they put it though as you can see in this picture, a screencap I took:
Its pretty clear that they had to make up a fake story to 'justify' their absurd actions.For all those members who dont post there and dont know whats up.
2. After the thread was closed I got a PM from admin L. , please check this
screencapture I made of it ( and yes, I post it for all to read since as youll know from it admins also read all my private messages which turn out to be not so private as they should be):
members asking me why MM thread was all of a sudden closed. HERE finally I can tell PEOPLE the TRUTH without - >being banned, being abused, being bashed, being stalked - all that found place in Ales forum and thats why I HAD to make this post at a different place.
Admins wanted to show 'whos is the boss in the club and who has power' by closing the thread when it was absolutely NO reason for doing so. Officially they put it though as you can see in this picture, a screencap I took:
Its pretty clear that they had to make up a fake story to 'justify' their absurd actions.For all those members who dont post there and dont know whats up.
2. After the thread was closed I got a PM from admin L. , please check this
screencapture I made of it ( and yes, I post it for all to read since as youll know from it admins also read all my private messages which turn out to be not so private as they should be):
I did not contact them in any way before that and that could have caused such a PM, so it was quite shocking to get smth like that from an admin who youd think should be an example to others in things tolerance and respect. I did not reply to her because honestly, there is nothing to say - she said it all herself. How she disrespects me, that is in my face ALL members - read fans of Alessandra (and Marisa) , that is disrespecting such great models as Ale and Marisa too.
Instead of taking better care of reposts and offtopic convos in Ales photo forum ( tons of those take place there, especially reposts and one word posts), admins targeted MM thread which I actually keep clean and nice myself and with the help of all great guys and girls that post there. NOTHING from what admins named as reasons for closing the thread and cutting off 6 pages took place there in reality - with the only exception when a member called MM bad names which I saw fast and reported and it was deleted asap same day.
And saying that I am 'nasty and mean towards other members' (said by admins) doesnt go really well and logically with what members themselves say to me in this thread and not only there ( 'Because of you, Julia, I think I am addicted to MM now', 'Thank you so much, Julia', 'You are my official MM poster here, Julia, no matter what', 'its beckstar who brainwashed me with all her hot Marisa avatars and signatures', ' I blame you for MM addiction now', ' Because of you I now like Marisa', etc.)
3. When I started a PUBLIC discussion thread in Ales forum ('Forum Improvement Ideas and Comments to keep Ales forum on a nice and friendly level') - not telling any names yet and being respectulf and polite as much as I can, just saying there are some issues that must be discussed in public and after 6 members posted there too in this thread and supported my idea of such a great thread - of course!- admins delete it. I created it again and it was deleted within a minute yet again. And I get yet another PM from A. this time - check this screencap:
As far as she says' such thread is already there or, if its not the 'right place' to post such thread then'...hmmm hey, why not just TAKE MY THREAD WHERE IT BELONGS then ???? Come on, by just deleting it YOU, guys, prove that you do not have a clear conscious if you AVOID public discussion of that and others issues ( a few members told me in PM they are NOT satisfired and unhappy with admins work and that its not 1st time admins act disrespectful and rude towards members!). They prefer to act COWARDLY by hiding their true faces in PMing ME all the time continually. Which I will never reply to. Because I dont have anything to hide from people and I will discuss it only in public, only with all members included.Which they cowardly avoid at all costs - by banning me from starting my own threads, for instance.
4. Members in Ales forum have FEAR to speak up, they have fear to be banned or abused by admins. PEOPLE, whom do you fear??????? Two admins who act
immature, grotty, petty, totally shallow, low and rude ? We are all humans with
EQUAL rights and each of us has a right to speak up, a freedom of speech. Come on, its 21st century after all.
----->>>Important !!!! --> The 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution reads: "Freedom of religion, SPEECH, press, petition..." !!!
5. I tried to contact a couple of these models' representatives in the hopes to draw their attention to that rotten atmoshpere that these two admins created in the official form of one (but by doing it once they are capable to repeat it anytime again on other forum where they are admins as well) of their models.
Neither Alessandra nor Marisa ( who are KNOWN for being CARING about their fans - probably the only models hat truly care about their fans thats why so many people like them including me) deserve an official forum being run by such admins who are just plain uncapable of managing such a forum that they show again and again with every step they take now. Such admins should be disqualified. For good. But before that they should make a profound apology for me ( I didnt even tell ALL details here but I have more to it) for how they 'passivley agressivley bashed me' obusing their 'admin priviliges'.
6. Here are just a few other forum members' opinions on that issue and more that I screencapped and put together. For privacy reasons I dont call their names :
7. I noticed a while ago how 'often' A. posts these two days in the forum :) There ya go, trying to come off as 'nice and caring' which is first - wont fool members because they are in fact more clever then these two admins think and call them - and second, you only prove that you did very wrong and hurtful towards member for NO REASON AT ALL. Im NOT going to post in any 'forum discussion' thread created by YOU now after I already created such A FEW TIMES and they were DELETED without reason and hesitation from your side.It just went too far, sorry. And how can I post there at all if YOU BAN ME FROM DOING SO to show off your 'grottyness'? This is ***. To put it mildly.
8. They establish rules in the forum that read ' bashing is not allowed at all....pls stay respectful at all times!' - and they act just in the opposite way! How can they expect members to respect THEM after they are being disrespectful to members??????
And no, you dont have to be jealouse or envious of the fact that 'a no special
snowflake' as L. called me ' has many little internet friendships that wont last past internet' - and still they are envious that people value me and like to talk to me there and appreciate me and I have good friends there.
How about this : treat people the way YOU want to be treated ?
I had members PM me and ask me for help too - hmm , apparently someone is more approachable and nice then admins if they picked me to contact and not them. I admit once I almost had a fear for them too and even hesitated to click and report smth because I was scared to bother them - they do come off being mean and rude to members and believe me I would be glad If I was wrong but this all proves me right).
By having account at getty images or wireimages and posting tons of rare shots and by converting videos YOU, admins , you may impress those members who dont know your other side - and in fact you were thanked by everyone for that many many times including me who even helped you, Lullaby, with transaltion once( but good things are so quickly forgot of course). It doesnt allow you though behind the backs of those who thank you insult other members and those who thanked you too. Who would have thought such 'nice admins as these too, Lullaby and Avadakedavra' have another side which is not that nice at all ! I can imagine how people who were not aware of this might be shocked now - well, believe me I felt the same.
I documented everything and have members who can confirm and add to that anytime if needed and if it helps to change this whole thing and make the forum nice and friendly again with OTHER admins who RESPECT their members. Because the true power is not in your hands, admins, yes, you can ban me, you can obuse your powers but the true power have PEOPLE. Not you. It is MEMBERS who keep this forum active and pleasant - if we all leave, how will you two be able to even be nice to each other after what me and other members saw in actions you took and take there ?
In a word, its truly sad and it will be disappointing if it stays this way. I hope I will be heard and members can breathe freely and enjoy the forum of a great model whose fans they are and I am. No model would want her official forum to have a bad reputation just because of how admins act there.
Make conclusions and take measures.Noone makes it for you, members.
Thats all I wanted to say for now.Thank you for reading.
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Any Comments -especially from the members of this forum- are welcome if posted in respectful and polite manner only. Have the courage to state your name ;)
Yours truly,
xx.
PS. And no, I do not aim to become admin , all members of this forum want is just to have mature admins who can act respectful at ALL times and are capable of managing an official forum in a nice and friendly way. Thats all.
And there is no guarantee for us, members who care of Ale, Marisa and their forums, that by doing such rude things once these admins wont repeat it again anytime....
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PS. And no, I do not aim to become admin , all members of this forum want is just to have mature admins who can act respectful at ALL times and are capable of managing an official forum in a nice and friendly way. Thats all.
And there is no guarantee for us, members who care of Ale, Marisa and their forums, that by doing such rude things once these admins wont repeat it again anytime....
------>IMPORTANT NOTE:
By posting this I am trying to be heard and hoping that appropriate measures as severe as the issue(s) is(are) will be taken.The posted is just a a few examples on how the named above admins manage this forum in reality, behind 'making a good impression to those who are not aware of that' - there is more to that, for instance, holding the unfair banner contests as was the most recent one.
The two named models's reputations shouldnt suffer because of such admins, because these two models are among the bestest ever if not the bestest and I like them both a whole whole lot ( otherwise I wouldnt have bothered to put my time into all that) and I will gladly stay as active member as I can due to my real life schedule in both of their forums. Hopefully, in better ones...
